Bob Howery

“[Hillbillies are] God-fearing people that that love everybody, but they don’t want to be messed with and they want to have their own life. They want to live it the way they want to live it. We love our culture, our land, our people, and taking care of one another. We’re living in this great place God gave us to live…the mountains.”

Bob Howery, Civil War Reenactor with the Giles Light Artillery; Bluefield, Virginia:

“Things were a whole heck of a lot different than they are now. Back when I was growing up it seemed like everybody was more closely-knit, and they cared more about their neighbors. We all got together and did work together, we all ate together, and everything was built around the community. People cherished their time with one another, and friends and family counted. It was what life was all about. 

It seems to me like nowadays, I don’t know if it’s because of the world, or the people in it, but people have grown apart and they don’t have time for what really matters to me. Things that I cherish, seems like the world doesn’t care about those things any more. I don’t know if it’s because we’ve been forced into the life that we’ve had to live now, or we’ve had to accommodate to them or whatever. But things have definitely changed; it’s nothing like it used to be.

When I was a kid, we used to get out and play marbles together. We would fish, pick berries, and stay out in the woods and the mountains and hills, and chasing rabbits. [We would] build forts, climb trees and pick apples and sell them. It was all things that kids nowadays don’t really experience or don’t know anything about.

I can remember when I was little [my grandfather] had some chickens and stuff, and I’d always wanted me some chickens. I was probably about six years old, and he came and he built me a big chicken house of my own. Mom and Daddy had chickens, but they would kill theirs and at that age, I wanted some for pets. I had names for all of them. I had rabbits, and goats and I remember all those things. Even today, I’ll catch myself doing things just like he taught me to do it. I can remember he told me not to lie, and to always tell the truth no matter what. If I caught a fish, he’d get up at 3:00 in the morning, and cook that fish for me. He loved me. My Granny was the same way. I’d get a skeeter bite, she dipped snuff and she would put snuff on [the bite.] When I was little, my Mom and Dad would try to whip me, and I’d run up to my Granny and she’d say, ‘you’re not gonna whup my baby.’ (Laughs) I’d almost crawl up under her apron to hide from them. But I truly love my grandparents because they were so good to me.

They instilled a lot of work ethic in me, my love for the soil and growing things. [From them I got] my love for animals and the respect for everything living, not to waste things and live for today, but save for tomorrow and plan for your future. [They taught me to] be gracious and good, treat everybody like you want to be treated, to feel blessed with what God has given you, and if you can help people, do it. Yeah, they really affected me. A whole lot!

I really enjoyed high school, and it was a simpler time. I like sports and everything, but it seemed like the subjects that we had were more relevant to my life, than what I see a lot of kids getting today. They teach them a lot of things now that I don’t think, with the economy, most people are even going to use. Back when I was going, it was more reading, arithmetic, and the basic things that I really used. 

I spent four years in the Marine Corps. I have a whole lot of respect for our military people. I used to run and train with the Seals in Coronado Island, and did a lot of Special Forces type of things and a whole lot of training. I was in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, Cherry Point, North Carolina, spent a couple years in Oceanside, California [and did] my training in Millington, Tennessee. There were a lot of things that I enjoyed about those places, and there were a lot of things that I didn’t much care for. I found they were a lot less God-fearing in most of these places, especially in California, than what we were, and it sort of shocked me. It was a culture shock. I had a good time. I was young, and it was a different world out there. I experienced things and all that, but it still wasn’t like home.

I used to be patriotic, and I still love my country, but I’m not really in love with the government so much, you know? When I was growing up, my Mom and Daddy used to tell me they didn’t trust the government, and I used to wonder why. But now that I’m older, and I start seeing how things are going with this country, I don’t trust them either. I think it might be because we live in the mountains and we’re just that kind of people. We don’t trust a lot of things that’s going on in this world, unless we can see it, and deal with it ourselves. 

When I came back, I felt more peace and more security, and felt like I was in my element amongst my people. It’s always a good feeling to know you belong somewhere, and that you have something in common with the people. 
[After the] Marines, I worked in the corn and feed business, I worked at Farm Bureau for year, and I helped my Daddy with some logging and all. He was a coal miner, and so my family did a lot of timber business. I helped them on the side, and then I’d work at the Farm Bureau. By the time I got out [of the service], the mines were starting to decline due to politics and machinery, and things started changing. They [didn’t need] the manpower, and what miners there were, were still hard up trying to keep a job. Sort of like it is nowadays; a lot more unemployed than there was employed. It was still the same people and the same wants and needs, but just not enough jobs to go around for the miners. 

My grandfather, Luther Howard, was born in 1911, in Howery Hollow, in Piskey, Virginia. My grandparents owned some of Fort Whitten down there, and they donated that land to them. He was a lifelong farmer. His name was Reece Howery. His Daddy lived there, and his name was Wade Howery. He owned a big farm in Piskey, and during the Depression, the hobos would get off the trains, and [my grandfather] would kill flocks of chickens to feed them. That’s just the way they were then. They cared about their fellow man, whether they were someone they knew, or a stranger. In my belief, the same kind of thing doesn’t exist any more. 

The people that moved to these mountains years ago, the Scots-Irish, the Germans, have been the dominant culture. There hasn’t been an influx of new bloodlines or new kinds of people moving in here because of the economic depressions that we’ve been [through] down through the years, and the lack of jobs. There’s nobody really moving in to diversify us, or break it down, or water down the culture that we have, so we pretty well have kept most of our culture intact. We do have to live in the computer age, and there’s things like that are affecting us, but for the most part people like to hold onto the things of yesterday, at least the beliefs that we had and the special things that are good.

We’re more in sync with the land. We hold things here more special, more sacred to us, than a lot of other places do. We have a bigger respect for our history, we have respect for the land and we don’t really want too much to change. If we change it to be like the rest of the world, then we become something else, so we want to keep it the way is it. 

My family’s been here for about ten or twelve generations, on my Daddy’s side, especially. I’m kin to people who were Indian fighters, or owned coalmines, or were legislators. Everything from when Virginia become a state; and we’ve had to dig out a living in these mountains. We’ve been here for generations and generations, and we’ve had to work for everything we got. I never had got a handout, and I never expected one. But I’ve always enjoyed a family, [and knowing that] that if I was ever in need, they would offer it to you and help you. We’re the kind of people that, if somebody needed something, we’d offer them without them having to ask. We’re prideful people; we like doing for one another and we like to give them respect and do what’s right. Because we believe in God and we believe in the Bible, we hold our moral standards higher than I think the rest of the world does. 

(Appalachian stereotypes] I don’t really worry about it too much, how other people do. If they’re not talking about us, they’ll be talking about somebody else, too. I’ve been to places like California and all that. They call me a redneck and a hillbilly, and probably [say I] married my cousin, and all that sort of stuff. But we’re the kind of people that let things like that slide. I wasn’t raised up to judge people, that’s for God to do. There were times, maybe back when I was younger, that it bothered me. Maybe because when you’re younger and you’re in the Marines and you go to different places, everybody wants to fit in and feel like they are a part of that. But as you grow older, you find out sometimes fitting in ain’t what it’s about. You want to hold on to what’s near and dear to you, and what’s sacred to you. We’re all individuals, and I like being where I’m from.

I’m a hillbilly. [Hillbillies are] God-fearing people that that love everybody, but they don’t want to be messed with and they want to have their own life. They want to live it the way they want to live it. We love our culture, our land, our people, and taking care of one another. We’re living in this great place God gave us to live…the mountains. Most of us ain’t rich or wealthy, but we’ve got each other. In times to come, when things break down in these big cities, I think a lot of other people would start loving these mountains, too. They might want to come back here and hide out with the rest of us. You live in the mountains when the world goes to you-know- where.

The saddest time [in my life] had been when my grandparents died [but later], my first wife died. She turned forty-one on Tuesday, and died the next Tuesday. We were married for about twenty-five years, had four kids together, and I dearly loved her. She just died in the middle of the night [and] to this day they don’t know what killed her. Shew. I think her heart just stopped, but death…it’s always sad. If it wasn’t for my belief in God and, and that there would be a hereafter and that we’re going to a better place, I guess I would be really devastated. I’ve always been an emotional type person, and I cried, and let it out. I would fall back on the scriptures, and that He promised us that there would be everlasting life. That whosoever believeth in Him would not perish, but there would be a better day coming and we would see these people again. Maybe not like in the flesh, but we’d see them again and know that they are okay. I try to always dwell on the good things, the good memories that we had together. 
The happiest times were when my children were born. They all turned out to be healthy; had a few problems with them. That was probably the happiest times of my life, when my children were little, and I could get out and play with them. I always knew then that there would be a day that they’d grow up and go away, so I always tried to cherish what time I had with them. Because the way the world is, and because coal mines are fading away, and because people are going [away] to schools and colleges and getting jobs for different professions, they have to go different places to live.

Both sides of my family, their ancestors all fought in the Confederate Army, and my grandfather had passed down stories about the Yankee Army coming through and destroying stuff. I was a young boy, and I said, ‘why would any people want to come do that? I would never do that.’ My people didn’t seem like they were ones that would want to leave these mountains, and go hinder anybody else, but they talked about defending their homes and family. I thought that’s an honorable thing for any man, to go to defend his home and family against an intruder that was coming here to invade us. I don’t think that, here in these mountains, we would have been involved in the Civil War if the Yankees hadn’t come here and started tearing things up and abusing us. I really feel like it was abuse, and maybe that was their mission. I wouldn’t have wanted to be in their situation.

I’ve been doing [Civil War reenactments] since the eighties. In today’s society, they judge these soldiers and they want to put this away and let it die. I think that any man that stands up for God, his country, and his family is worth remembering. These are good, decent, human beings that carved out a life here in these mountains. They gave their all, and a lot of them gave their life, for survival. No one would want to be done that way today, and these men stood up for what was right. What else is there, really, that’s worth anything in this world? 

I’m a private in this unit here. All my life I’ve done infantry, and now that I’m getting older, I’ve been doing the artillery. Most of [my ancestors] fought in the infantry, some of them fought in the cavalry, and some of them fought in the artillery. This is something a little bit different, and I enjoy learning things about the different branches and how they fought. These were good, decent people. It was simply survival for them. Their country called on them to serve, and they did it just like they would today. It was about doing what is right, what is noble. 

A lot of times, these units were made of the same communities, and they all came together to serve. Everybody wanted to do a good, decent job, because no one wanted to show a white feather amongst the enemy, especially to leave the war and go back and live in these same hollers and mountains with people that would know you may have run. So you stood there and died, rather than run.”

Alex Brashear

“We may not have had the best things, but we always had everything we needed. Yeah, that and a lot of love.” 

Alex Brashear, College Student and Carpenter; Cornettsville, Kentucky: 

“[Living in the mountains] I love it. A lot of good friends. Good people. Just good times. Hunt. Fish. Garden. I stayed outside all the time. It was fun. I still hunt and fish and garden. 

Dad, he was a carpenter. And he worked at a photo shop. And Mom, she worked at a Senior Citizens Center. Both my Papaws were miners. And my one Grandmother, she worked at a nursing home. And the other one, she worked like at restaurants, waitress and stuff like that. It was fun times, a lot of good lessons learned. I was taught to be honest and kind, and do people right. You know, be good to people, good things come back. 

Well, there was a big rock fell on one of them’s knee. Busted it up real good, and he’s…he’s bad off with cancer now. Lung cancer you know. My other Papaw, he had Black Lung, but the mines he worked at, they moved out and burned everything. And he didn’t have any of his check stubs left. You know, he didn’t save ‘em, and all that, didn’t have no proof that he worked there. So he didn’t get to draw Black Lung, or nothing like that. 

My Papaw, whenever I was little, he always told me I was worse than the stuff a cat would cover up. (Laughs) I never knew what he was talking about until he died. And it took me a couple of years after that. I thought about that, and I said, ‘You gotta be kidding me.’ We’d get out, and he wasn’t in all that good health at the time. But we’d get out and walk around, look at stuff in the woods. And (we) gardened a lot. 

I know they had a bunch sweet pepper planted one year. Mamaw grew all different color bells and things. And she got out there, she was gonna pick ‘em. And I was real little. And I remember it, ‘cause she had red and yellow, purple, and everything. And Papaw told her. He said, ‘You’d better pick them peppers tonight.’ She said, ‘Naw, I think I’m just gonna wait till in the morning.’ And she went out there the next morning, and the deer ate ever one of them she had. (Laughs) She didn’t get a one off of ‘em. One day too late. They took them that night. 

(Growing up) It was pretty tough. We raised our food and didn’t have to worry about starving to death. We always had chickens. Here recently, we got into goats. Help keep the place cleaned up.

(At Papaw’s) when I was little, I remember going up to the hen house and gathering eggs and stuff. They had two big turkeys in the chicken lot. They kept running around. And Papaw kept them to bring wild turkeys down from the mountains. He enjoyed seeing them. I was scared to death of them. I remember I thought one was getting after me one time, and I took off running, grabbed Grandma right by her britches leg. She started laughing. I thought I was eat up.

We used to raise hogs. We raised about two a year. You just start ‘em out as pigs, and make sure they get enough protein to grow up big and healthy. We liked them to get to about three hundred, three hundred fifty pounds. You definitely want to butcher them in the wintertime; nature’s refrigerator. You don’t want your meat to spoil. We started bright and early in the morning. Everybody would help. It was just something for the family and neighbors to do together. Everybody swung by, they’d have to stop and see what was going on. Hang around, help and get a fresh piece of meat to take home. 

We may not have had the best things, but we always had everything we needed. Yeah, that and a lot of love. 

I got out of high school. I went to college. I went to Alice Lloyd for two years. And I went to EKU for a year, and then I came back here. I still ain’t finished yet, but I’m working on a Biology degree. Trying to go to medicine. 

In 2011 I took classes on working underground. My buddy, he was working at Sapphire (mines), and they were getting ready to open one up over there in Pikeville. And he told me he’d get me on there. Well, I went and finished my class and caught up with him. That next week they ended up shutting the mines down and laid everybody off. That was whenever it (layoffs) started hitting real heavy. 

(Jobs) There’s nothing, where I live at. I’m thirty miles from town and you can’t drive to McDonald’s to work three hours, and then come back home, and make gas money, you know. It’s awful. We’re up here selling a few vegetables and stuff (at the Farmer’s Market)…but that’s about it. (What we need is) Factories. Roads. Factories. You know we’re rich in art and crafts and stuff. If people would get back to their roots, I think it would help a lot. 

Music? No, I never did pick up anything, but a lot of family members, you know, they pick and go on; bluegrass and gospel. Stuff like that. ‘The Singing Cookes’ is on my Mom’s side, and then ‘The Master’s Harmony’ is on my Dad’s side. And the rest of ‘em, they just pick for fun and stuff. I write a little bit. That’s it. 

Appalachian culture? We’re the best. (Laughs) Humbleness, I think for the most part (is what separates us). Really. Because you know, we never give up. (You) can’t get us down. We’re used to dealing with hard times, and it’s just been bred into us, I think. I was taught to never give up. 

I think it’s funny. I took two Appalachian Studies classes at EKU, and I really enjoyed it. The teacher, he got up talking and everything. Everything he brought up, you know it was my life. 

(The media) I think they come in, and they pick the worst they can find, and throw them up on the screen. ‘Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia’; there’s that type of people here but I don’t think we’re all hillbillies, with no teeth and no sense at all, you. It’s funny that people believe that. The accent I think it has a lot to do with it. Really. We’re good, honest folks; great work ethic. And if people would just give us a chance, they’d be surprised at what they’d find.

I met this guy one time, while I was in Richmond, (Kentucky). He was from Australia. And it kind of made me really proud. I was talking about his accent, the Australian accent, I think it’s cool, and he was talking about my accent. I said, ‘What do you mean, my accent?’ He said, ‘That’s America’s accent.’ I said, ‘You’ve gotta be kidding me.’ He said, ‘No. That’s America’s accent. I like it.’ You know, it made me proud. It really did. 

The happiest times? Probably when I was little. Way up to the top of the mountain, Dad took me up there. A big old rock up there. It had like a ledge, came out and stuck over the mountain. A cave kind of, look back in it. And they call it ‘the big rock,’ is all I know, no official landmark. But I think about that. It’s always been my safe haven. I call it my happy place. It’s just a big rock. You know, it’s my safe haven. It’s my happy spot, I guess. My dad and I, we used to go up there and squirrel hunt, and see what all we could find.

I love fishing and hunting. Catfishing for the most part. Night fishing, I like doing that. With chicken liver and night crawlers.

One night, my little cousins, they’re going on, ‘Let’s go fishing. Let’s go fishing.’ I said, ‘Alright, let’s go.’ We loaded up lanterns and stuff, and went down there and got set up. I always use cane poles in the river. It’s a lot easier. And I had one set out there, and there was a limb sticking out, coming off the bank. A catfish had got hooked and wrapped itself around one of those limbs. The lanterns had died. It was pitch dark. All we had was a little flashlight, and I was trusting my little cousin to shine it for me. I walked all the way out there on that limb, and whenever I got out there on the main end, I reached down to get that cat, and my foot slipped, and there I was. Soaked! Soaked! Standing in the middle of that river in the middle of the night. Couldn’t see anything. He started laughing and dropped the flashlight. I was holding on to a catfish, trying to get to the bank with it. It was awful. It was. It was a fun time though. 

I do some crappie fishing. And white bass whenever they start running. They’ve always said that whenever the redbuds start blooming that the white bass are running. Usually you can go by all them old sayings. That’s another thing I learned. We plant a lot by the signs. I learned that from my grandparents.

Mamaw, when she was little, her Daddy, and his brother, and a friend made moonshine. And her Mom would peddle it over cross the mountain. She rode a big mule, and had it in the saddlebags. She’d also take and sell possums. She would put (the moonshine) down with them dead possums The revenuers were constantly after them. They stopped her on top the mountain one time and they caught on to it. Then she started carrying the possums live in her saddlebags. 

They stopped her on top the mountain again, and said, ‘We know what you got in them bags’. And she said, ‘I got possums.’ They said, ‘What else is in there?’ She said, ‘That’s it.’ They wanted her to get down and get them out. She said, ‘If you want ‘em you can get down in there and get ‘em out.’ They wouldn’t touch them live possums. Loaded down, she hauled over to Vicco. She got away with it.

People I went to school with here, I’d say there ain’t a quarter of us left living here. All jokes aside they’ve moved (away) for jobs. Twenty years from now I hope that we will have more business. People are gonna have to move away from coal. We seen that already. Then, hopefully, a more stable economy (will develop), and folks will come back that left (the region). I hope to (live my life here). Do the best I can. Do whatever I have to. I ain’t afraid of work. I’ve known it all my life.”

Wayne Stephenson

“I was in the Army for three years, and I was in with Elvis. We were in Germany together [and] he was just an ordinary guy, to be honest with you… He was just a country boy that made it good, and got rich.“

Wayne Stephenson, Retired Welder, Retired Pastor; Greenup, Kentucky:

“It was nice [growing up here]. It’s a lot like you see on Mayberry. We could walk to walk to the theatre and go in the on a movie for ten cents. We could walk home, and even after dark, no fear of anything happening to us. There used to be a dime store right there. The elementary school was right back of here, on our lunch hour, which we could never do today, we could come over in town, go wherever we wanted. We could come over and look at the things in the dime store. You could get something if you wanted to eat, if you had the money. It was a real safe place. Laid back town, and just about everybody knew everyone else. You could ride your bicycles up and down the street with no problem.

A group of us boys would gather a lot of times by the railroad track up there. We had an old hoop, didn’t have no net on it. We played basketball until dark, and then we’d go home. In the wintertime, we couldn’t do anything much because we had chores to do. We had to get in coal and wood, and stuff for the fire. My dad worked evening shift, and I had to do most of that, because I was the only boy. The other ones were so small they couldn’t do that, and they didn’t make the girls do that. They did the housework. (Laughs) 

[My parents] had eight kids, and wages weren’t that high. My Mom would can, oh, hundreds of [cans]! She didn’t can in quarts; she canned in half gallons because of the size of the family. We canned everything that we could. We canned tomatoes. We even canned sausage. Any more, it’s a lot more practical to just freeze it, because it’s easier, but we didn’t even have freezers. We had an icebox, and in the wintertime, everything froze outside. We always butchered two hogs in the fall, and my Dad would salt cure them, in a smokehouse. We didn’t smoke them. . We always had a milk cow. We had that meat and all the canned stuff, [and] that’s what we lived on during the winter. All she had to buy was flour and meal 

My Dad was the youngest of thirteen children, and I never saw my Grandma Stephenson, but my Grandpa Stephenson, I saw him. He died when I was six years old. My grandparents on my mother’s side were Sturgills, and they died pretty early, too. I was about fourteen or fifteen when they died. I didn’t get to hang out with them, but we were a family of eight kids, so there were never any dull moments around there.

Oh, my goodness, that’s been a long time since I was a boy. (Laughs) Dad was always talking about his work. He enjoyed farming [and] gardening. He had a job at a creosote plant in Russell and I used to go to work with him. It was a place where they pressure treated creosote ties and electric poles. It was on a railroad track, and he worked, he worked at that plant there several years until it went out of business. Then, he worked at the National Mine Service Company in in Ashland. They built mining equipment. 

Growing up, everywhere dad went, I went, too. We didn’t have a car, if you can believe that, with eight kids. If we had a real need, he would borrow my uncle’s car, once in a while. But everywhere we went, we walked, and I would take about three steps to Dad’s, to keep with up with him. I was the first boy that was born. I had five sisters. Four girls born, and then I was born, another girl, and then two boys. I just recently lost of my sisters. One died in December. She was eighty-three, and another one died in June, she was seventy-nine. We were a real close family, and still are. 

Mom was the disciplinarian. She always taught us to have respect for others, and when we didn’t, she didn’t spare the rod. I tell you that. I’ve often said, if we lived in an area today like it was then, with the discipline and stuff, dad would have been in jail. It is, but it didn’t hurt us [and] it probably did help our personality. 

Everybody knew everybody else. You didn’t really see poor people and wealthier people. There were those, but nobody emphasized it, nobody paid any attention to it, because the most of us were poor. But it was a nice town to grow up in. I really hated it, because a lot of the buildings and stuff they let go, and they didn’t restore them. 

The Blue Ribbon Bus would come down, and the Greyhound too, later on. Going south, it stopped right in front of the drug store there. You went in [the drugstore], and there was a little food bar on the right as you went in. It was a fountain and had stools down through there. They sold sandwiches and milkshakes, and Coke, and they had a pharmacy that was in the back. This pharmacy up here that’s in Greenup, Stultz Pharmacy? Well, Dave’s Grandpa was the one that run that one, and now his great-grandson is running Stultz Pharmacy, up here now. He was the type person, if you had something wrong and you needed medication, he’d go in there any hour of the night and open up and get it for you. 

After I finished high school, I went in the Army. I was in the Army for three years, and I was in with Elvis. We were in Germany together [and] he was just an ordinary guy, to be honest with you. The Post we were at, it wasn’t as big as Greenup. Twice a month, we’d have a mandatory, it wasn’t exercise, but you had to go out and either play football or do some kind of sports or something. He played football with us. Yeah, he was really nice. I talked to him several times, then one day, I took some pictures with him. We had an Open House for the Germans over there in that little town, and he was very popular then. [He was] a big man, but he never did do anything but his regular job. He never sang any. He never performed any. He was in the Tank Battalion, and the Tank Battalion and Armored Infantry Battalion were on the same Post, and we worked side by side with them. He was just a country boy that made it good, and got rich. 

I was in the Armored Infantry Battalion. It’s a lot like the regular infantry, but the difference is you traveled in the Armored Personnel Carriers, and you fought alongside tanks. I was in from ’58 to ‘61. Vietnam was already started when I got out, but see Vietnam was never declared a war, and therefore they couldn’t keep you after the date that you were supposed to be discharged. I was still in the active reserve for three years after I got out. Had it been declared a war, I would have been in Vietnam. I was just blessed, I guess, I didn’t have to go. A lot of others lost their lives; a lot from around here. 

After I left the Army, I came back here again. I went to vocational school, and then that’s when I moved to Illinois. It was hard to get a job around here then, [but] I got a good job working up there. When you’re young and you have to start a new way of life, you can adapt a lot easier than you can when you’ve lived a long time. I just adapted pretty well. 

My first wife and I had just got married when we moved up there. There were plenty of jobs to get up there. We finally we bought a house, and she got cancer of the uterus. She had to take treatments, and at that time they used experimental drugs on her. It was very hard on her, but she made it through it.

She always wanted to come back home to Kentucky. I promised her when she got well with cancer, we’d come back. She got a five-year clear physical that it was gone, so we decided to come back. 

Her father lived just about five hundred yards from where I live now. He had a farm, and he always told all his kids that they could have a piece of property to build their house on, but he didn’t want them to build it and sell it. He wanted them to stay on it, if they built it. 

She’d lived here all her life, and that’s where she was raised, out there on the farm. Before we moved back, we had two girls and she wanted our kids to be around their grandparents. We built a house there, and I’ve been there forty-three years. I’m glad we did, because they got to be around their grandparents, know my parents, and her parents, and I’ve never regretted that. But had she not got sick, and I had not made that promise, I was satisfied [and] I could have stayed right there [in Illinois]. I’m glad I didn’t now. 

My first wife got cancer again and she died in 1990. I remarried about two years later.

The first time I become a pastor, it was 1986. I was preaching at different places before then, but I was called as pastor in Little Sandy in 1986. I just yielded to the call and I went to school up at Southland Bible Institute. I preached at several different places. This church out there, where I’m at now…well, I’m not the pastor now, but it’s where I pastored. Their pastor left, and they called me, and it just so happened, it’s about two hundred and fifty yards from my house. 

The hardest part [of being a pastor] is dealing with someone who’s dissatisfied, or problems in the church, and you can’t solve them. Of course, it’s always hard to lose someone through death. I’ve had so many funerals in this town, in the last twenty-five years. 

There’s a little boy that lived out there by me. This has only been maybe ten, ten years ago, and his parents really didn’t care for him and he was just left to run up and down the road. We used to get him to go to Bible School [and] he’d come to Sunday school some. He went with a group over to the river and went swimming, and he wasn’t that great of a swimmer. He got out about halfway and couldn’t make it back, and he drowned. I had to have his funeral. It was really sad, because I knew him. He used to come to my house all the time. He’d always have to have his tire aired up on his bicycle, and he finally got him a little dirt bike, but he’d awful conveniently run out of gas in front of my house. I really, I still miss him. 

Anybody that lives here in this area, whether they admit it or not, are hillbillies, because that’s all we got are hills. [The media is] trying to make us less than someone in the larger cities and other parts of the country. To me, we got a better relationship and better culture than you see in New York City. You don’t seen homeless people on the street here. You don’t see drunks walking up and down the street. There is a drug problem around now, but that’s come from out of this area. Our culture, it’s different, and it’s not that we’re uneducated. A lot of people in this town are very educated. As a matter of fact, it’s safe to say there are a lot of millionaires in this town. [The media] try to downplay us, and try to make us look like hicks that don’t have any education.

I would like for [people] to remember me for the ministry, dealing with people in church and kids. I love kids, and we used to have a big ministry of teenagers when I went to Flatwoods Church. We have a lot of kids at our church today, too. If you don’t have kids growing up and getting the right teaching, and going and learning about the Lord while they’re young, they just drift away.”

Kim Johnston

“I feel a kinship here. I love to visit other places and see the landscape differences and all the different things, but this is home. This is where I like the seasons, and the people. It’s just peacefulness, especially if you’ve been in some of the very flat places, like in Florida or up north. Like I said, it’s nice to see and experience different places, but this is just peace and home.”

Kim Johnston, Nurse, Civil War Re-Enactor; Riner, Virginia: 

“Riner, Virginia, is about halfway between Christiansburg and Floyd. We’re a wide spot in the road, but we’re growing. I grew up in Blacksburg, Virginia [and] in the surrounding area there’s plenty mountains.

[As a child] I had fake tea parties with rocks and leaves, and rode my bike, and mostly it was outside things. Back then, thankfully, we didn’t have a lot of TV, and so we were out and about, and running and playing. 

My grandmother on my father’s side passed away when I was about seven, so I don’t have a lot of memory of her. His father was already passed away before I was born. My mother’s father passed away when I was a month old, so I don’t remember him. But my grandmother that lived here in West Virginia, she was a very quiet lady. We would go spend holidays and weekends, and different times with her. 

She was the one that would can over three hundred cans of food in the winter, to make sure they could eat. She would make clothing out of feed sacks and crochet. I have items that she crocheted at home that she made me. She was a wonderful cook. I have her wood stove at my house that she cooked on, because I remember when she still used the wood stove. [She] didn’t have a bathroom in the house, but we still had an outhouse to go to

I don’t know that I thought about it as much when I grew up, [but] as I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to appreciate my roots, and my history. My family has been in the Blacksburg area since the 1700’s. One of my relatives, I can’t remember how many greats back; his will was the first one recorded in Montgomery County. I’ve done a lot of genealogical research in the last year, and I have started to appreciate more of the handcrafts, the roots. I have coal mining family from this area, too. I appreciate how hard they worked, growing gardens and canning, making their clothing, and all that. That’s some of the things that I’ve tried to learn how to do myself; I can, and I sew and different things to carry that tradition along.

I first went to Virginia Tech for two years, and then transferred to Radford to get my Nursing Degree, and I’ve worked as a nurse since then. I worked in a hospital for twenty-eight years. There’s tons of nursing stories; anything from people crawling out of bed, to supposedly the ghost of where the hospital was built on. Some of them were heartwarming stories of the wedding we threw at the hospital that was put together in six hours so a lady who was terminally could be part of her daughter’s wedding, or the concert we threw for a terminally ill patients who loved to play music, so he could have friends in and have a jam. 

I’m still in nursing, [but I] went to work in April for a school system, working with Middle School kids. I love it, just the kids that come in that we get to care for them, because they sometimes don’t get that at home. Also, I get to share a little bit of history, because I have some of the historical stuff in my office and I tell them I’m a re-enactor. 

[Those who perpetuate the Appalachian stereotype] are people that probably have not visited Appalachian people, and don’t always understand the way of life [and] they probably don’t have an appreciation for things that are handmade, or homemade, and making your own way. 

Part of [the culture] is the ‘use what you have’ and the ‘make do with what you have’ spirit. Being self-sufficient. There’s a determination in the Appalachian people because, through history, so many of them had to overcome so many obstacles just to survive. 

I would like to think I am somewhat of [a hillbilly]. This summer we made wattle fences for around where we planted our garden, and I made trellises out of sticks in the yard so I didn’t have to go buy something else. It’s a pride in your roots and background. Where you came from.

I feel a kinship here. I love to visit other places and see the landscape differences and all the different things, but this is home. This is where I like the seasons, and the people. It’s just peacefulness, especially if you’ve been in some of the very flat places, like in Florida or up north. Like I said, it’s nice to see and experience different places, but this is just peace and home.

When I got married, and of course, the birth of my children and some of the adventures I’ve had with my camera, I think are [some of my happiest times]. [But] one of the most fulfilling times was finding my re-enactment group. They’re like an adopted family.

I do photography on the side and I’ve always loved history, so a friend of mine who dresses as a solider, said, ‘Come take pictures of me at the re-enactment.’ I went with her, took pictures, and started making some friends, and then I ended up meeting Debbie by accident, and volunteered to man the artifact table at Cloyd’s Mountain, the 150th. 

I was there for school kids’ days, and one of the little boys that went by, there were some things that they could pick up and touch. He had freckles and blue eyes, and he said, ‘I got to touch it.’ I said, ‘Yeah, you got to touch history. To me, that’s what it’s all about. 

I travel with Debbie, who has ‘Traveling Tara.’ We have a home that’s like the 1860’s, a Civil War house, and we explain about life in the Civil War on the home front. We’re in a bigger group, called ‘Ladies’ Victorian.’ I have also started doing a studio where I educate about women that were running photography studios during the time period. 

As early as 1850, there are women advertising themselves as daguerreotypists, and they would work with the men, and some of the aspects of the industry they would do was as the colorist for pictures, because any picture you see that has coloring on it, it was all by hand. Some of the women who were more proficient at that could make up to $25 a month, which was a very high salary for anyone, especially women. 

You also had women who a receptionist in a photography studio. The women would help pose and all that, because social rules were different then as to who would be able to adjust someone’s clothing versus who wouldn’t. [Women] would help put together daguerreotype boxes. If they had worked together with their husband, or their father, or whoever, and something happened to them, they would take over the studio. 

1850 is the earliest female photographer I have seen. The photography industry really started in the late 1830’s when Jacques Daguerre took his daguerreotype, and then it became an immediate hit in the U.S. There’s articles that say there were as many as fifty studios in New York City alone, [nearly] one on every corner. They would have articles on what to wear for your sitting, how to fix your hair, and all this kind of thing. I collect antique photos, and have some of that information. I collect books about photography I bring with me so that people can get an idea, and look at it. And they’ll say, ‘Oh! I have a picture like that at home!’

[Also in our group] we have a seamstress and a laundress, who also portray Sally Tompkins, a nurse. We have another lady who portrays a local woman from Pulaski County, Virginia, who dressed as a soldier and went in and fought the battles.

If you can get someone engaged in the history, hopefully that can get them interested in something that has a promise of a different way of life. 

Right out of high school, I had a very inexpensive, small 35mm camera. I went to college, and the first thing I bought out of college was a Minolta film camera. I would take pictures with that, and everyone would tell me I had a good eye. And then, I took pictures of my children as they grew up and didn’t get as involved [in photography] until they became a little bit older. 

My youngest is eighteen now, almost nineteen, so now I can develop my own interests. I joined a photography club [and] we’ve done all kinds of crazy things. Went out in the middle of the night to the waterfalls, took star pictures, and came up here to Hinton to Sandstone Falls in the middle of the night, when it’s freezing cold. I’ve learned to do a lot by hanging out with those guys. I’ve taken a picture of everything, from people, to animals, to landscape, to nature, but some of my favorites are landscape and nature. 

One thing I have to say with my photography is I have met so many neat people through it. You take their picture, and if they find it on Facebook, or they see you in person…I’ve met so many people through the camera that I probably would never have talked to.

[I hope people remember] that I made them smile. That’s important. If you can make somebody smile, you’ve added to their day.”